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14,317 hits 2.8 (6 votes) Share Favorite | Flag 6 years ago by chips2001

Should countries be run like businesses?
Should governments try to turn a profit and deliver returns to their citizens via lower taxes, or do they have a duty of care to spend money on their citizens?


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6 yrs ago - Friday 9/25/15 - 6:45:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
I would answer this question if you were Obama but I don't know?
6 yrs ago - Friday 9/25/15 - 8:05:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, they should be run like organized criminal enterprises. "This place is ours, pay up or else."
6 yrs ago - Friday 9/25/15 - 8:14:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
How is a government going to make "profits" other than through higher taxes though
6 yrs ago - Saturday 9/26/15 - 1:23:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
don't some countries already do that? hong kong names their head of state the chief executive, and one of the requirements to run for government positions in singapore is to have been an executive at a company.

would be interesting to live in either city.
5 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 1/4/16 - 3:36:44 AM EST (GMT-5)
no they are not businesses.

5 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 2/12/16 - 10:13:00 AM EST (GMT-5)
With a national debt of almost $ 20 trillion the USA corporation would have to file for bankruptcy and lay off all of their 320something million 'employees' ...
Unfortunately there'd be nobody to pay unemployment benefits
5 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 2/12/16 - 10:15:16 AM EST (GMT-5)
... unless you sell the whole insolvency mass to China.
5 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 2/12/16 - 10:35:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
"Should governments try to turn a profit and deliver returns to their citizens via lower taxes, or do they have a duty of care to spend money on their citizens?"

Seems like a false choice. I believe that the government has a duty to provide certain services for the citizens, not necessarily a duty to spend money on their citizens.

I see it as being like a business providing services for their customers while minimizing the cost of providing the services.
5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Tuesday 2/23/16 - 6:08:05 AM EST (GMT-5)
It's been tried.

Governments take over businesses, often essential services and then use the profits to fund other services.

The problem is that government run enterprises don't tend to be very sucessful and often end up losing moneyand have to be funded by taxes.

If you think about it a government run industry that makes a profit is actually applying a flat rate tax on anyone who uses that service. Probablt the most common example would be Buses and Trains. Poorer peple are more likely to use buses so they would be paying a disproportionate amount of their disposable income in indirect taxation.

Likewise Electricity Gas and Water. If a government was making profit out of these services it would be a tax on the poorest people, the problem is if you privatize them poorer people are still paying a big slice of their income for essential needs.

5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Tuesday 2/23/16 - 11:19:03 AM EST (GMT-5)
What would be the equivalent of firing someone? Deportation?
5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 9:18:09 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'm sure wise business practices would help financial issues, but a business's goal is usually to profit, and that should not be a country's primary purpose. It's cool if it works out that way, but prioritizing that means it may drop the ball on more vital functions.
5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 10:00:44 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 2/23/16 - 11:19:03 AM catchall wrote:
What would be the equivalent of firing someone? Deportation?


I would think that citizens would be more like stockholders rather than employees.
5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 11:33:49 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 2/23/16 - 11:19:03 AM catchall wrote:
What would be the equivalent of firing someone? Deportation?
On Monday 2/29/16 - 10:00:44 AM CowDung wrote:
I would think that citizens would be more like stockholders rather than employees.

So the only employees would be your illegal aliens?
Sounds like a great concept.
5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 11:35:10 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 2/23/16 - 11:19:03 AM catchall wrote:
What would be the equivalent of firing someone? Deportation?
On Monday 2/29/16 - 10:00:44 AM CowDung wrote:
I would think that citizens would be more like stockholders rather than employees.
On Monday 2/29/16 - 11:33:49 AM Matthias wrote:
So the only employees would be your illegal aliens? Sounds like a great concept.


No, the only employees would be the people employed by the government.
5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 11:56:14 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 2/23/16 - 11:19:03 AM catchall wrote:
What would be the equivalent of firing someone? Deportation?
On Monday 2/29/16 - 10:00:44 AM CowDung wrote:
I would think that citizens would be more like stockholders rather than employees.
On Monday 2/29/16 - 11:33:49 AM Matthias wrote:
So the only employees would be your illegal aliens? Sounds like a great concept.
On Monday 2/29/16 - 11:35:10 AM CowDung wrote:
No, the only employees would be the people employed by the government.

So the employees would be share holders of the business?
You know what they call that ...
5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 12:02:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 2/23/16 - 11:19:03 AM catchall wrote:
What would be the equivalent of firing someone? Deportation?
On Monday 2/29/16 - 10:00:44 AM CowDung wrote:
I would think that citizens would be more like stockholders rather than employees.
On Monday 2/29/16 - 11:33:49 AM Matthias wrote:
So the only employees would be your illegal aliens? Sounds like a great concept.
On Monday 2/29/16 - 11:35:10 AM CowDung wrote:
No, the only employees would be the people employed by the government.
On Monday 2/29/16 - 11:56:14 AM Matthias wrote:
So the employees would be share holders of the business? You know what they call that ...


I thought it was called an 'employee owned company'...

It's not all that uncommon...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...

5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 12:03:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
Are there laws there that prohibit stockholders from being employed by a company?
5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 12:10:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 2/29/16 - 12:03:26 PM CowDung wrote:
Are there laws there that prohibit stockholders from being employed by a company?

No, not at all.
It's actually an economic variant that has had a lot of followers over the last 150 years or so.
5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 12:11:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
OK- - I got the impression that you were surprised at the idea or thought something to be wrong with it.
5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 12:13:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
I was surprised at the idea.
Socialism usually isn't too popular in your neck of the woods.
5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 12:26:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 2/29/16 - 12:13:26 PM Matthias wrote:
I was surprised at the idea. Socialism usually isn't too popular in your neck of the woods.


I guess I'm not understanding the way you see a connection between 'employee owned' and 'socialism'- - it's not like everyone is an employee of the government, or has to rely on the government to provide for all their needs...

5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 1:05:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 2/29/16 - 12:26:29 PM CowDung wrote:
I guess I'm not understanding the way you see a connection between 'employee owned' and 'socialism'- -

something something workers controlling the means of production?
5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 1:06:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 2/29/16 - 12:26:29 PM CowDung wrote:
I guess I'm not understanding the way you see a connection between 'employee owned' and 'socialism'- -
On Monday 2/29/16 - 1:05:01 PM Kungfullama wrote:
something something workers controlling the means of production?


Don't they always?
5 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 2/29/16 - 1:10:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
oh, you :^)



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