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3,756 hits 2.0 (1 vote) Share Favorite | Flag 13 years ago by mynameismike

Is the teaching of Greek mythology in schools a violation of the separation of church and state?


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13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 12:19:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
Nope
A separation of church and state simply means that the clergy, from any religion, has no power dictating what happens in the government; at least, that is what I believe it to be.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 12:32:23 AM EST (GMT-5)
I don't know anyone who prays to Zeus before taking a test.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 12:43:15 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 4/8/09 - 12:19:12 AM gabcab wrote:
Nope A separation of church and state simply means that the clergy, from any religion, has no power dictating what happens in the government; at least, that is what I believe it to be.


Does that mean that Priests don't have the right to vote?
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 12:47:46 AM EST (GMT-5)
Argh, you got me
Let's say that they have no MORE power than any other person.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 1:39:47 AM EST (GMT-5)
As long as Greek mythology is taught in a literary or historical context rather than a religious context (or if it is taught in a religious context, as part of a comparative or world religion class or unit) I don't see the problem with it.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 1:41:47 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 4/8/09 - 12:19:12 AM gabcab wrote:
Nope A separation of church and state simply means that the clergy, from any religion, has no power dictating what happens in the government; at least, that is what I believe it to be.


That's all well and good, but the supreme court has consistently defined it as considerably different from the definition you give.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 11:41:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 4/8/09 - 12:19:12 AM gabcab wrote:
Nope A separation of church and state simply means that the clergy, from any religion, has no power dictating what happens in the government; at least, that is what I believe it to be.
On Wednesday 4/8/09 - 1:41:47 AM catchall wrote:
That's all well and good, but the supreme court has consistently defined it as considerably different from the definition you give.


I don't necessarily have to agree with the supreme court you know.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 12:37:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, considering no one really practices that religion anymore. It's more of a history lesson.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 2:07:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 4/8/09 - 12:19:12 AM gabcab wrote:
Nope A separation of church and state simply means that the clergy, from any religion, has no power dictating what happens in the government; at least, that is what I believe it to be.
On Wednesday 4/8/09 - 1:41:47 AM catchall wrote:
That's all well and good, but the supreme court has consistently defined it as considerably different from the definition you give.
On Wednesday 4/8/09 - 11:41:13 AM gabcab wrote:
I don't necessarily have to agree with the supreme court you know.


Nope. No need to. I guess what I was saying, although I was trying to be nicer about it, is that your opinion on the definition of church and state is largely irrelevant.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 2:26:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
^^^ Except the question asked whether it was a violation, not whether the SC would find it a violation.

People are allowed to express their opinions in these threads, you know.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 2:32:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
In my opinion, it's not if it's taught in a way that doesn't imply that it's factual, and I'm pretty sure nobody teaches it that way. It's my understanding that it's taught because there are so many allusions to mythology in literature. I personally wouldn't call it a violation of separation of church and state.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 3:48:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm cool with it cause it is interesting, and its not really taught as a religion even though it was. Its treated in a historical context which is the way it should be taught, and i dont have a problem with any religion being taught that way but the problem is that its not
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 4:12:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
i dont see how it would be... its just teaching what the Greeks believed in not what we should believe in
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 4:16:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 4/8/09 - 12:32:23 AM narcissist wrote:
I don't know anyone who prays to Zeus before taking a test.


How would that violate separation of chuch and state anyway?
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 6:04:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
they used to teach about the greek gods at my school but they had to stop for some reason......
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 4/8/09 - 11:54:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, it's not. They teach it as a part of history, and sometimes as a part of literature. It's just a way of explaining beliefs. The story of Persephone tells the story of the seasons. Cupid and Psyche is a love story like any other. They don't MEAN anything like that. It's not like they're trying to say, "Hey, this is the truth and you have to believe it."
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 4/9/09 - 4:14:09 AM EST (GMT-5)
It is if you teach them as fact.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Saturday 4/11/09 - 11:52:28 AM EST (GMT-5)
greek mythology isnt a religion...is it??
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Saturday 4/11/09 - 1:19:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 4/11/09 - 11:52:28 AM bronzebabe wrote:
greek mythology isnt a religion...is it??


No more or less so than Christian mythology is a religion.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Saturday 4/11/09 - 1:46:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 4/11/09 - 11:52:28 AM bronzebabe wrote:
greek mythology isnt a religion...is it??

What do you think those gods were used for? Poker buddies?
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Saturday 4/11/09 - 5:59:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 4/8/09 - 2:26:34 PM mynameismike wrote:
^^^ Except the question asked whether it was a violation, not whether the SC would find it a violation. People are allowed to express their opinions in these threads, you know.


Certainly. I just don't see how changing the definition of church and state, especially so radically, ads much to the discussion. We might as well change the definition of a tree to include rocks in question about whether plants are minerals.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 4/12/09 - 12:41:23 AM EST (GMT-5)
If we are using the state-determined definition of the separation of church and state, then there would be a definite answer, and this would thus be an unnecessary question.

The point of YT questions is either to, A, poll a group of people on whether they have seen, done or wanted something (etc...) or B, whether they agree or disagree with an idea/concept. If there is a definite lawful answer to this question, then it is useless to ask for peoples' opinions (in the context of this question.)
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 4/12/09 - 12:46:28 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 4/8/09 - 2:26:34 PM mynameismike wrote:
^^^ Except the question asked whether it was a violation, not whether the SC would find it a violation. People are allowed to express their opinions in these threads, you know.
On Saturday 4/11/09 - 5:59:30 PM catchall wrote:
Certainly. I just don't see how changing the definition of church and state, especially so radically, ads much to the discussion. We might as well change the definition of a tree to include rocks in question about whether plants are minerals.

Supreme Courts come and go but the constitution stays the same. And that is ultimately where the definition comes from.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 4/12/09 - 11:16:48 AM EST (GMT-5)
I don't think that it's essential to know but Greek Mythology is a part of history and very interesting.
13 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 5/13/09 - 11:13:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
seperation of church and state, i think has more to do with how things are governed, so we dont have a government like Iran's... or the old days like how the pope was the real power in europe. basically to secure everyone religious freedoms

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