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5,238 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 8 years ago by KRM

Is it ignorant to say every member of the Third Reich was a bad person?


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6 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Friday 12/11/15 - 12:03:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
There were millions of Nazis, the US willingly worked with many of them like Werner Von Braun and hundreds of others, after the war. Plus Albert Speer was a production genius, not a die hard Nazi, but you had to be one to rise so high as he did. To say all nazis were bad is just like saying all muslims want to bomb us.
6 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Friday 12/11/15 - 11:01:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 12/11/15 - 12:03:46 PM marc780 wrote:
There were millions of Nazis, the US willingly worked with many of them like Werner Von Braun and hundreds of others, after the war. Plus Albert Speer was a production genius, not a die hard Nazi, but you had to be one to rise so high as he did. To say all nazis were bad is just like saying all muslims want to bomb us.


No it isn't.

Joining a political movement that advocated racial supremecy is nothing like being a member of a religion.

I don't really know where to start on the ingorance level of this question and this thread.

"The Third Reich" was the entire German nation under Nazi rule.

If you were a member of the Thrird Reich, it simply meant you lived in Nazi Germany.

If you joined the Nazi Parly that meant you were a member of the Nazi Party, unsuprisingly.



6 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Friday 12/11/15 - 11:05:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
Albert Speer was a nasty c*nt who was complicit in the enslavement of millions of people who were forced to work until they died in order to serve his demands.

Rather than a "production genius" who could have gained greater results by enlisting the labour of German women in the same way that Britian, Russia and the USA did.


6 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 12/12/15 - 3:00:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
the nazi party did terrible things, i won't question that. but some of them, like albert speer, apologized. several of my relatives worked directly for him, and from what my mom told me, they said he wasn't as hardline as goebbels, goring, eichmann, or himmler.
6 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Sunday 12/13/15 - 11:55:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
Not as hardline as Hitler. That's something to put on your CV.

He organized the enslavement of millions of Jews, Poles, Serbs, French and Chezch workers and when they were reduced to living corpses they were "retired" by Eichman and Co... but I guess he vas only obeyink orders.
6 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 12/14/15 - 12:26:05 AM EST (GMT-5)
many people in the nazi regime didn't feel any remorse for their actions. they felt they did the right thing even when they were found guilty of the charges and were sentenced to death.

the fact that someone expressed remorse for their role in the nazi regime and the holocaust and even apologized for their actions speaks volumes about their character.
6 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 12/14/15 - 7:22:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
Not really, In some ways those that stuck by their beliefs even during the war crimes trials at least retained some integirty to the end.

Speer showed he knew wwhat they were doing was inhumane all along but he still went along with it, for profit.

With Himmler and Eichman it was a matter of duty to their screwed up ideals.

Rommell is a better example of someone with better character.
6 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 12/14/15 - 8:23:33 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 12/14/15 - 12:26:05 AM Inquizitor2 wrote:
the fact that someone expressed remorse for their role in the nazi regime and the holocaust and even apologized for their actions speaks volumes about their character.

I think that having a fairly central role in the Holocaust to begin with kinda says more about their character
6 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 12/14/15 - 6:26:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
Bored has a point about "member of the Third Reich" being a very broad category ... however you define it, for example, Oskar Schindler would surely qualify, wouldn't he? Member of the NSDAP, spied for Germany before the war - then bankrupted himself saving a thousand or more Jews from extermination. If that's a "bad person", who would you call good?!
6 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 12/15/15 - 6:32:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
There's an awfully small margin of error when you say "every" or "none," "always" or "never."

I'd say it depends on the context and tone of the conversation in this case, though. I can certainly argue that not even every member of the Nazi party was a bad person, but I wouldn't choose to at the expense of wholesale condemnation.

There are parallels to institutional prejudices today in that the whole of it overwhelms the individual, but Godwin's and all.
6 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 12/17/15 - 6:47:52 AM EST (GMT-5)
Anne Frank was a member of the Third Reich until Jews had their citizenship revoked.

Max Schmilling the Boxer, Bert Trautmann was a German POW before becoming Machester City's goalkeeper and playing to the end of a cup final with a broken neeck.

Rolf Birnbaum must have ben about 14 at the end of the war before coming to London and working in Hotel managemnet. He was also my best friend's dad.

Then there was Karl, another aircrew POW who cut my hair on the morning of my wedding. A year or 2 earlier I booked a table at an airport hotel for a fancy New Year's Eve dinner. Karl and his wife were 2 of the guests. After a Seven course meal, there was a full on Disco. When I asked Karl if he was enjoyong it he leaned conspitorally across the table and confided in me. I don't like zees searchlights.
6 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 12/17/15 - 8:58:01 AM EST (GMT-5)
there were also career military men who had no choice in joining the nazi.

In fact, some of them plot to kill Herr Mustachausen.
6 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 12/17/15 - 11:14:28 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 12/17/15 - 6:47:52 AM Boredofu wrote:
Anne Frank was a member of the Third Reich until Jews had their citizenship revoked.

You have a point about using precise, accurate terminology. I suspect we can all figure out what the OP really meant, and I think it's a more interesting discussion to have if we can get on with it.
6 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 12/17/15 - 11:23:02 AM EST (GMT-5)
how about pope benedict xvi, who was forced into joining the hitler youth?

On Thursday 12/17/15 - 8:58:01 AM Abzurd wrote:
there were also career military men who had no choice in joining the nazi. In fact, some of them plot to kill Herr Mustachausen.


wasn't speer himself one of the people the july 20 conspirators wanted to win over to their side?
6 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 12/17/15 - 3:30:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
Well if we move the discussion to Members of the Nazi party.

Germany was a totaliterian State. Just like in Soviet Russia, in order to advance in a government career you had to be a party member.. So it was difficult to judge who was an avid Nazi supporter and who was a "career Nazi" When the allies began the process of "denazification", if they had jailed every Nazi party member, where would have been nobody left to run the country.

It's also very difficult to judge kids who were raised under the cult of Hitlerand may have gradutated from the Hitler Youth to Waffen SS. Membership of the Waffen SS was determined to be a war crime by the allies as a result of the behavior of the SS in various Battlfeield Theatres. But it was hardly fair to judge teenage boys who had been raised to think that membership was something to aspire to in the same way as joining the Marines.
6 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 12/17/15 - 4:03:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think the gray area of how guilty we consider individuals who are caught up in something so much bigger than themselves is pretty fascinating.
6 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 12/17/15 - 4:06:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
It was my understanding that party membership was pretty much required for business owners and such if they wanted to keep their businesses.

I wouldn't think that they would necessarily be bad people because of their Nazi party membership.




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