You people are so rude its unbelievable. whoever posted this on i-am-bored and those who are insulting the Christain religion, you're insulting a good percentage of the american population. and thank you, ChristMarine, for your insight
I am not weak minded and it doesn't bother me that your mad at me for no reason. Your a bit defensive on the matter to act in the manner you did. WEll I've actually studied the Bible and I don't take peoples words for things. I think its harder not to believe in God. And Im not debating whether or not the song was creepy or not, its not important. However; you say that I am retarded and blind led sheep. The Bible is full of prophecies that have became true, not to mention the historical, botanical, cultural, grammatical and every other -al that has never been proven wrong; even by secular historians. Here is only one small example of the divine accuracy of God's Word. Psalms 22 a Messianic prophetic psalm which says Jesus's hands and feet will be pierced, speaking obviously about crucifixion. This is a "historical" document that was written around 1050 B.C by King David. Well is it not ironic that crucifixion was not even been invented until 600 B.C. Divine or extreme chance?
And I honestly appreciate Suicism the courtesy and respect you show me. I am not pointing fingers at anyone and I honestly am hoping every one stays open minded, thats all. Anyways Suicism, thats a great question. And I guess this could go back to the same type of philisophical question which says God can't be omnipotent because he can't fail. However, to me this only affirms his omnipotence. And I agree with you to an extent about knowing both decisions. But God doesn't always look in the future to what we do. For example, he repented when he made man during the time of NOah because of the wickedness of the people. Of course, he could have known this if he had wanted to. So in away he does make know the right choice to make. Although, he didn't have to follow the protocol when it came to sending His Son Jesus to die for a people who does not always love Him. So I agree, but I would much rather serve a God who is all powerful and all knowing, rather than others. Thx for your time buddy
You mention the Jews there, and one thing I always find convincing is why Yahweh did not come down to confirm to them that this Jesus was their Messiah, especially considering the prophecy of King David you cite! God should have come down himself and made it clear, because according to the old Jewish myths that was always they way he communicated with them: burning bush with Moses, Ten Commandments, visions of specification for Noah's Ark, and even visions later by Peter, wherein he describes the end times. But christ, the messiah, WHOEVER he was going to be, was suppossed to replace this divine link between the Jews and Yahweh, and make obsolete their need for animal sacrifice as well, for he was to take their place as a "sacrificial lamb" of God. But why not tell the Jews this directly? Why should they believe this rebel, troublemaker, one of many proclaiming themselves to be "messiah" at the time? It wasn't really fair for God to jerk them around like this:
"one day, you're 'chosen;' and you know this, because I have instructed you on it Personally, and many of your great prophets like Moses seem to believe it; and the next day, I'm sending down my son, who you don't know and WON'T know, and many of you will encourage his execution, but I'm not gonna tell you all this; instead, I'm just gonna stop talking to you and let you sort it all out. He is now the saviour, and you're no longer chosen, but you're just going to have to take HIS word for it. I'm gonna take a nap 'till the apocolypse." You know, something like that doesn't seem too far from the truth. It puts these visions of "God" that Moses and others recieved really in a position of arbitrary interpretation, just like everything else. When do you know it's god, or not? People tend to like precedent. Jesus suppossedly didn't have precedent, and he acted on his own visions anyway.
People happened to believe him. Not all people, about 1/3 of the World at this point (interestingly enough, the same ratio of angels that suppossedly fell from Heaven!); how do you know god is NOT talking to you, as he talked to others? They didn't know, they just chose to believe what they felt prudent, usually when they could relate it to something ELSE that had precedent, and recorded it in such an authoritative way that people began to think they were seeing a pattern. However, if god communicated with the Jews directly up to that point ONLY, because they were his chosen people, then why not let them know who the Messiah was going to be? And by the way, about our last philosophical question (posted publicly), for one to have all knowledge available to them, when knowledge is infinite (eternal life perpetuates it), they must be experiencing it all at once; for finding one solitary piece of info out of an infinity of data, could hypothetically take forever;
there would be no reference-point. All knowledge would have to be possessed simultaneously. And unless you're saying that God practices ignorance on himself, I believe those stories about him REPENTING for something he knew he was going to do would be not only impossible for such a god, but are more reminiscent of a belief-system which has been flailing from the time of it's inception to explain the universe, and resorts to any arbitrary or fleeting definition of god for the time being to do so, suit the needs of the public, and move-on. Also, another little theological technicality for you to chew on; if Jews were the chosen people before Christ offered salvation to all, then effectively all who accept god become the chosen ones. So shouldn't Yahweh now be talking to all CHRISTIANS the way he once communicated with the Jews?
The prophets in Isaiah, Jerehemiah, Amos, Joel, etc. are full of prophecies of Christ. His birthplace, his crucifixtion, his miracles, were all recorded. However, you don't even need all of those prophecies for the people to know. It would be pretty evident when he healed the sick, opened blinded eyes, raised the dead, walked on water, fed the 5,000, and when God rose from the dead. He loves us, and the whole Basis of Christianity is not to point fingers, but to show love. I John says God is love, and perfect love casteth aside fear. Jesus was nothing but love and he only wants love in return. It doesn't require works, or finances, or baptism, or whatever certain others think. God Bless you man. And no man has seen God's face...Moses saw his backside, anyways, He sent his son a sacrifice for us to choose. We don't have to, but it will all be cleared up after our death. Just ask your self man, what if?
As much as I'd rather stay out of this debate, I feel this must be said: ChristMarine stated "I think it's harder not to believe in God." This is a roundabout way of saying "I think it's easier to believe in God," which is precisely why secular-types tend to look down thier noses at the devout. In the minds of the secular, the devout are taking the easy way out by just letting God handle everything, instead of thinking about other ways the universe could work.
And if there seems to be a hostility towards Christians in particular, this is probably because some terrible things have been said in the name of Christ, and those things are not easily forgotten. Despite the probability that only a fraction of a fraction of all Christians actually believe those things. I won't list any examples because I'm sure everyone can think of thier own.
But I (and others) personally feel the evidence does NOT point towards a Creator. We feel that, given the laws of physics (as humanity knows them, anyway), any evidence pointing towards a Creator is flimsy, at best. Since there is no record of the creation of the universe (the Bible and other holy books don't count since they were written long afterward), literally everything is just theory.
I just deleted several posts I've made in this thread. ChristMarine, I've studied philosophy for approximately seven years. I can offer you a dozen resources on biblical inaccuracies, fallacies, scientific impossibilities, contradictions and immoral suggestions.
I attacked you because your three credentials you've presented include the military, christianity and fraternity. I can't even take you seriously. Open minded my ass.
I'll leave it at this: we disagree.
R U Kidding and Suicism, much love on excellent commentary.
I'm borderline drunk. I'm tired. I have to work in the morning.
First of all a fraternity is a brotherhood of friends, I don't drink and I don't or have ever had sex. The USMC is not a sin, when the 10 Commandments says thou shall not kill,its talking about murder,not killing to ensure the freedom of others. And I am a Christian because the Jesus Christ is the Lord of my life. So don't challenge me and my credentials, your the one thats drunk and having to work in the morning. Secondly I am 18 years old and I still know more about this than you, all you can do is offer criticism. Oh of course there are scientific impossibilities with a supernatural creator. I know its scientifically impossible for a man to rise from the dead, but it wasn't a man, it was God the Son, and it happened. Contradictions no, if you read and look at the greek and hebrew and don't take it out of context like many ignorant people do, then you will also see that this is not right. Don't give me your "facts", it just seems your trying awfully hard to make yourself fe
el better. I don't understand why you have to act so hateful when I was being kind. The size, position and angle of the earth is a scientific phenomenon to see, A few degrees closer to the sun and we'd disintegrate, a few degrees further and we'd freeze. The axis of the earth is tilted at a perfect 23 degree angle, and it's no mistake that it is. This allows equal global distribution to the rays of the sun making it possible for the food chain to exist. Or take for example the combination of nitrogen and oxygen in the atmosphere that we breathe. It just happens to be the exact mix that life needs to prosper, it doesn't happen on any other planet that way. You see, the Bible says the invisible things of God are clearly seen through His creation, to believe this is not hard. If there is a design, there is a designer. If there is a plan, there's a planner... and if there's a miracle, there is a God.
It simply boggles the mind to think that the stars will rotate with such exact precision that it's true. That the atomic clock with an error factor of less than three seconds per millenium is set by the way they move. Though they silently orbit, the sun, the stars are like celestial evangelists above, who circle the earth every 24 hours, shouting in every language that THERE IS A GOD!Atheism is the wedge under the foundation of our faith trying to topple our relationship with Christ. there is no God, he rejects the truth God painted on the canvas of the night. Atheism has never created an artistic masterpiece, never healed a fatal disease or calmed a fear. Atheism has still never given answers to our existence, It's God who sits on the circle of the earth of Calvary to save our souls from hell and the grave. It's God who creates, God who delivers, God who heals and God who is worthy of a thunderous ovation of praise!